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	<title>Comments on: Episode 45: BLP&#8217;s Revisited</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Starkey</title>
		<link>http://wikipediaweekly.org/2008/04/14/wikipedia-weekly-45-blps-revisited/#comment-7819</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Starkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a question here about the astounding growth of the Volapuk Wiki. I am an ‎administrator on the Esperanto Wiki (another conlang) so I've been watching the Volapuk ‎like they are a bad neighbor bringing down property values in the neighborhood.‎

Yes, the panel was right, Volapuk was the work of a bot run amok. The bot operator ‎Smeira (the only active member of the Volapuk community) said that he wanted to ‎artificially inflate his numbers to advertise the Volapuk language. Please note there are an estimated 20 speakers of this language world-wide.‎

The bot-operator essentially took databases of geographic data combined it with data out ‎of the various wikis, and fed them to his bot and out spat a bunch of articles. ‎Unfortunately, last I checked, the bot wasn't well-controlled, and many of the pages were ‎filled with leftover vestiges of text and broken templates where the article was stolen ‎from. So, yes, there are 115000 stubs there, but they probably wouldn't be considered ‎quality stubs by the other 19 Volapukists of the world.‎

Since the guy started there have been a couple of failed attempts to get him to stop ‎puffing up the scores in the form of Requests for Deletion at Meta. In the second ‎proposal, Jimmy Wales himself has asked them to stop it and play nice, but stopped short ‎of declaring an edict to close it down. I think both of those proposals were defeated by ‎Smeira’s bringing in outside voters to support his position, and browbeating everyone ‎that disagreed with him.‎

Essentially, the Volapuk Wikipedia is chock-full of geography stubs. 97% of their ‎activity supports the bot-made cookie-cutter geography stubs. ‎

The only good that I’ve seen come out of this is the Esperanto Wikipedia giving up bot-‎creation of articles cold-turkey. We have called a moratorium on new articles by bot, and ‎we’re now creating articles the good old fashioned way. Yes, it’s slower, but there’s a big ‎difference in quality.‎</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a question here about the astounding growth of the Volapuk Wiki. I am an ‎administrator on the Esperanto Wiki (another conlang) so I&#8217;ve been watching the Volapuk ‎like they are a bad neighbor bringing down property values in the neighborhood.‎</p>
<p>Yes, the panel was right, Volapuk was the work of a bot run amok. The bot operator ‎Smeira (the only active member of the Volapuk community) said that he wanted to ‎artificially inflate his numbers to advertise the Volapuk language. Please note there are an estimated 20 speakers of this language world-wide.‎</p>
<p>The bot-operator essentially took databases of geographic data combined it with data out ‎of the various wikis, and fed them to his bot and out spat a bunch of articles. ‎Unfortunately, last I checked, the bot wasn&#8217;t well-controlled, and many of the pages were ‎filled with leftover vestiges of text and broken templates where the article was stolen ‎from. So, yes, there are 115000 stubs there, but they probably wouldn&#8217;t be considered ‎quality stubs by the other 19 Volapukists of the world.‎</p>
<p>Since the guy started there have been a couple of failed attempts to get him to stop ‎puffing up the scores in the form of Requests for Deletion at Meta. In the second ‎proposal, Jimmy Wales himself has asked them to stop it and play nice, but stopped short ‎of declaring an edict to close it down. I think both of those proposals were defeated by ‎Smeira’s bringing in outside voters to support his position, and browbeating everyone ‎that disagreed with him.‎</p>
<p>Essentially, the Volapuk Wikipedia is chock-full of geography stubs. 97% of their ‎activity supports the bot-made cookie-cutter geography stubs. ‎</p>
<p>The only good that I’ve seen come out of this is the Esperanto Wikipedia giving up bot-‎creation of articles cold-turkey. We have called a moratorium on new articles by bot, and ‎we’re now creating articles the good old fashioned way. Yes, it’s slower, but there’s a big ‎difference in quality.‎</p>
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		<title>By: samuel</title>
		<link>http://wikipediaweekly.org/2008/04/14/wikipedia-weekly-45-blps-revisited/#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>partionable?!

that would have made more sense if you'd said, "every user would have to download the 133gigabyte full-edit-history dump, in order for a program to analyze any part of it."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>partionable?!</p>
<p>that would have made more sense if you&#8217;d said, &#8220;every user would have to download the 133gigabyte full-edit-history dump, in order for a program to analyze any part of it.&#8221;</p>
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